I listened to this podcast today and listened to some of your other podcasts. My heart goes out to spouses and their children who have, to no fault of their own suffered from the Abuse and Trauma inflicted upon them by this dark, twisted, weak and evil type of “person”. They are like a nuclear plant spilling. They not only destroy their family but destroy the lives of all of those that love and support the victim and victims. It is simply sick that a person would block a mother from going to her crying child because they insisted on having their needs met first. She had to have sex with this despicable creep before she could get to her crying child. We need to continue calling out the Narcissist and the damage they do to their own children and or any other people that they prey on. And the life long scars their victims are left to carry. I commend and applaud your guest in this podcast, who demonstrates the courage and dignity to share her story. And shining light on the dark, lurking sicko narcissist she was married to. Call it out so someone else can benefit from hearing your story. Maybe others will learn to spot these creeps (male or female) and run from them sooner than later. I happen to be a male. So men and women are in harms way when they get involved with a narcissist.